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    Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    on: Oct 26, 2010, 09.25 pm
    Oct 26, 2010, 09.25 pm
    Hopefully not going to open too big a can of worms here, but considering adding to my Speedmaster with a bike more suited to touring and a bit of light off road use. Current thinking is the 1200GS or Multistrada 1200 S Touring. The Tiger 800 throws a spanner in the works a bit and I am sure will not be able to make a truely informed decision until all specs and options are available + price of course. I appreciate the Tiger 800 is probably aimed squarely at the BMW 800 market, however any opinions out there as to the likelyhood of it competing with either of the 2 others (GS or MS)? Road version would be the more likely choice.

    What are the downside of a 800 vs 1200 engine? Are the benefits of Electronic suspension offered on these bikes and Traction control etc worth the extra pennies?


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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #1 on: Oct 26, 2010, 09.41 pm
    Oct 26, 2010, 09.41 pm
    I own a MKI Multistrada and have ridden the 1200 a few times, and unless I have missed something, the Multistrada will be the most 'sporting' of the three.  If you want to keep up with R1s and GSX-Rs, but still be able to tour and commute, the Multistrada is a great choice.  However, I wouldn't fancy taking one off road on anything other than a gravel track.  The electronic suspension is OK, probably not worth the premium in cost and complexity (only rebound and compression damping is adjustable on the front, pre-load, rebound and compression on the rear).  The big downside is price.

    The 1200GS is probably the best big "do it all" bike there is, it can be taken off-road, has great touring potential and a whole industry supporting it with farkles and sparkles.  More expensive than the Tiger 800 it is also likely to be a heavier.  I've only ridden a GS once, but the telelever front end would take some getting used to, as would the sheer size and weight of the beast.

    We'll have to see how the Tiger rides, but my guess is that in road guise and on the road it will be a better handling bike than the GS, it should certainly be substantially cheaper than the other two, and may also be lighter than both (certainly lighter than the GS).  For long distance work, the smoothness of the triple should be less tiring than a twin.  Since many 1200GSes are bought for road-based touring, I think there is a very real chance the Tiger could eat into the sales of the larger GS, if it does make 100bhp and weigh in around 185-190kg dry.

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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #2 on: Oct 26, 2010, 10.58 pm
    Oct 26, 2010, 10.58 pm
    My math book : Long legged tourer w/ good 2 up capacities + good less technical off road verve for casual off road rider = R12GS.
    Not to say it's not a great off road bike, but it's damned big and more inclined to be subject to the measure of the rider in more technical environments.

    The other bike that holds great promise in the litre+ segment is the 1200 Yamaha Super Tenere... a bit heavier than the GS, with real promise for reduced initial and long term costs and superior reliability if you rack up significant miles. And, if you can wait, the forthcoming 2012 Tiger 1200 which has enough buzz going to suggest that it's really gonna happen IMO.

    I'm interested in the 800 XC because I'm doing less long legged touring these days, and want to focus on becoming at least moderately proficient on somewhat technical terrain. That, and the girls want their own dirt bikes so we can go explore the mountains, dessert, and beaches around the peninsula together makes it a great choice for me.
    I also need to slow the $^@& down!  :192:
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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #3 on: Oct 26, 2010, 11.30 pm
    Oct 26, 2010, 11.30 pm
    I don't do BMWs, but did have a Tiger 1050, and it runs with the R1200GS just fine.  Current ride is the MTS 1200 Standard.  It is a road bike just like the Tiger 1050, but it is lighter, and more HP (a WOW! combination).  DTC is required on the Duc unless you ride it like a girl.  The Duc is nicer 2up ride (according to my SO) than the Tiger 1050, suspension is on soft/medium side (I am 180 lbs).

    I am interested in the 800, but don't expect it to replace the Duc.  It will never out handle it, or keep up with the HP, but I expect it will be handier off road.  I do not go off road with the Duc, other than firelanes or gravel roads.
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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #4 on: Oct 27, 2010, 04.15 am
    Oct 27, 2010, 04.15 am
    Probably any magazine review out there would place the Tiger 800 in dead last from those three, simply because it's engine is 400 cc's less.

    I want the the 800 because of the smaller engine.  I've been riding for only four years and at my age have determined that just about any bike out there has far more capability than I have skill.  So I'll just take a smaller engine, better mileage (I hope), and have fun.  Besides in MYHO the only thing a larger engine is good for in a bike is to get to felony speeds a second or two faster. :007:
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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #5 on: Oct 27, 2010, 07.46 am
    Oct 27, 2010, 07.46 am
    I'm with Grey Dragon on this: I've been riding since 1968 and even so most bikes over 500cc have more capability than I have skill/confidence. I had a 2 hour test ride on a MS1200 and was blown over by the electronic torys and traction control, but simply don't get the need for so much power on a road bike. It is also, in the UK, stupidly expensive. They wanted almost £12K plus my 2008 Tiger to do a deal....
    The Tiger 1050 is, so far, the best bike I've owned, but it is a road only machine. I want to go onto some of the tracks and green lanes here and the 8000XC might be the answer, although the clearance between front wheel and lower musguard concerns me. Will it do mud? If it is also road capable then it might displace the big cat, but possibly not. 

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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #6 on: Oct 27, 2010, 11.51 am
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    In my opinion, there are only two bikes out there that are genuine allrounders; the MTS 1200 and the Tiger 800. No other bikes can duck and weave thru city traffic (BMW 1200 fails), sport it on the twisties (BMW F800 fails), tour two up and eat up a gravel road.
    Given a choice, I would still go for the Ducati; superbike-derived engine and cutting-edge technology. Unfortunately new tech costs...I predict the Tiger 800 will come in at half the price and, for that reason it will be the best value bike for me. :300:
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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #7 on: Oct 27, 2010, 12.57 pm
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    Not sure that the Multi is an "all-rounder".
    It 'can' go offroad - not sure how it would do.
    Dual sport tires can be fitted on it - but not true knobs...let alone a small get-off/layover would prove to be
    VEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYY Expensive.!

    The true all-rounders are the units that have proven themselves for years:

    BMW's GS / GSA
    TRIUMPH Pre '07 Tigers
    KTM 950/990 Adventures
    & others.

    They both do well on the tar and on the outback. Some better than others.

    I am in high hopes that the XC is right in there with that elite list.!
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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #8 on: Oct 27, 2010, 01.11 pm
    Oct 27, 2010, 01.11 pm
    *Originally Posted by hANNAbONE [+]
    Not sure that the Multi is an "all-rounder".

    The Tiger 800 "road" is competition for/comparable to the MTS.

    I would expect the XC to exceed the MTS offroad options by a reasonable margin.

    All the bikes in the original comparison - MTS, GS, Tiger - are capable bikes, it's a rather pleasing dilemma to have to choose between 3 great rides..  :018:

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    Re: Tiger 800 vs BMW 1200 GS vs Multistrada 1200 S
    Reply #9 on: Oct 27, 2010, 11.19 pm
    Oct 27, 2010, 11.19 pm
    *Originally Posted by thephantom [+]
    All the bikes in the original comparison - MTS, GS, Tiger - are capable bikes, it's a rather pleasing dilemma to have to choose between 3 great rides..  :018:

    Absolutely agree, although not sure when we are likely to get onto a test ride of the Tiger down here. I had hoped to have a new/additional ride by mid-March for a trip I am planning, but that may not happen. Unfortunately I am not prepared to take a leap of faith that many have and order sight unseen/unridden.

    Thanks for all the great comments - most insightful and useful. As the new bike will be a commute as well as a tourer, and less of an offroader, I have probably crossed off the 1200GS. The expense of the MTS is also of a concern, although the 800 may get close with a few options added - we will have to wait and see!