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Several years ago there were apparently rumours swirling around the dark corners of the internet of a paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment. The story went that Sir Jimmy Savile procured children for leading politicians, that this went all the way to No. 10 and involved former Prime Ministers (amongst many others). It sounds like just another conspiracy theory but now revelations are pouring out about Jimmy Savile and it appears that his activities were well known but covered up for decades.

Then on Friday Newsnight broadcast allegations that a senior Tory was involved in a paedophile ring with other prominent individuals, without naming him/her. Obviously it isn't too hard nowadays to find out who the individual was, and they were one of the individuals named years ago in the original rumour/conspiracy theory.

Tom Watson MP brought this up in Parliament last week:

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Now has posted this on his blog:

It’s ten days since I raised a question about intelligence suggesting a paedophile ring that touched the very heart of a previous government. I’d done so because a very credible retired child protection professional had lived with a gnawing suspicion of a cover up for many years.

These people are the rarest of human beings. They’re the people who labour in anonymity, day in day out, trying to make the world a better place. They have always been the foundations of our public services. Yet this retired public servant had, through a quirk of fate, stumbled on something that appeared so huge, that almost everyone he’d ever raised his concerns with had baulked at the challenge.

Since then though, many more ordinary people have contacted me about suspicions they have had of a wider wrongdoing – in some cases so heinous it made me cry.

They have talked of psychopaths marking children with Stanley knifes to show “ownership”. They tell of parties where children were “passed around” the men. They speak of golf course car parks being the scenes for child abuse after an 18 hole round.

And they have named powerful people – some of them household names – who abused children with impunity.

Two former police officers have raised their concerns of cover-ups. Child protection specialists have raised their fears that the network of convicted paedophile Peter Righton, the nexus of the group, was wider than at first thought. Others have identified a former cabinet minister who regularly abused young boys.

Some have raised mysterious early deaths, disappeared children, suspicious fires, intimidation and threats.


It’s bewildering.

These allegations go way beyond the claims made on BBC Newsnight yesterday. Newsnight failed to name the paedophile mentioned by a North Wales survivor. I can understand why. A career can be destroyed by an allegation of such magnitude. There needs to be a high bar of proof.

Yet the thing I learnt most from the hacking scandal, and for that matter, the Savile case, is that the intelligence was staring the police in the face. These people were hiding in daylight. So powerful, so brazen in their actions, those who had an inkling of what was happening turned a blind eye.

Or maybe none of this happened. Maybe the 50 plus emails and numerous phone calls and letters I have received were all from fantasists. Maybe the allegations of the victims – made for many years, consistently to anyone that would listen, maybe they’re bogus.

One thing is for certain: someone has to join the dots. And that should be the police. There are a few hardy child protection specialists who for many years, have been burrowing away, trying to uncover the truth. Their work and insight should be taken more seriously. The police should work with them.

The hacking scandal was about the police failing to follow clear leads of wrongdoing by powerful people. They could do this because politicians turned a blind eye.

This is potentially worse. Some of those powerful people involved in a cover up may well have been – and could still be – powerful politicians.

I’m not going to let this drop despite warnings from people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper. It’s spooked me so much that I’ve kept a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen.

As I type this blog post, I’m half-smiling about how insane all this appears. It sounds like I’ve taken leave of my senses – just like they said I had during the early days of the hacking scandal. Maybe I have. Yet with a properly resourced investigation, with the voice of victims being heard in public and with the political will we can get to the facts.

I wish I could fight the case of everybody who has been abused by a paedophile who has so far got away with it, but I can’t. That is a job for the police. Up and down the country private grief is being stirred by these stories. I cannot help in each individual case, but the police and support services can, must and will. If you were abused a long time ago and want justice now, go to the police. It is not too late.

What I am going to do personally is to speak out on this extreme case of organised abuse in the highest places. At the core of all child abuse is the abuse of power. The fundamental power of the adult over the child. Wherever this occurs it is an abomination. But these extreme cases are abuse of power by some of the most powerful people. Abuse of trust by some of the most trusted. It is a sickening story, but one which – like the truth about Jimmy Savile – is now going to be told.


How deep does this go? This criminal depravity potentially goes to the heart of the Establishment. Powerful forces are to work here, engaged in covering-up a scandal of monumental proportions.
#14097619
In this country, we've always known that the rich and powerful have been fucking us up the arse. Now we know that they've been fucking our kids up the arse as well, literally. :hmm:
#14098008
What do you expect from Tories? It had to be Thatcher's cabinet too didn't it? Almost to easy I might as well have not looked up the theories and trusted my first instincts.

In this country, we've always known that the rich and powerful have been fucking us up the arse. Now we know that they've been fucking our kids up the arse as well, literally.


I'm no psychiatrist but I would guess that they guess that they get used to fucking their fags at public school and miss having a younger sex slave when they leave. :|

Rich people eh? This shit isn't one off it is institutionalised.
#14098993
The Prime minister was Edward Heath. I was told by some one in the know that he used to have naked lads in attendance at dinners. Fucking a fifteen year old girl or a fifteen year old lad however doesn't make you a paedophile. Fucking a nine year old girl certainty does make you a paedophile though.
#14098998
The Prime minister was Edward Heath. I was told by some one in the know that he used to have naked lads in attendance at dinners. Fucking a fifteen year old girl or a fifteen year old lad however doesn't make you a paedophile. Fucking a nine year old girl certainty does make you a paedophile though.

I think we need to make a distinction between homosexuality (between consenting adult males or females), ephebophilia (between adults and youths between about 13 and 18) and paedophila (between adults and children under the age of about 13). Legally, having sex, whether consensual or not, with someone under the age of 16 is criminal and abusive. A child is not able to give informed consent to such a relationship. There is also the matter of non-consensual sex - rape is a despicable act, and is doubly despicable when committed against a child.
#14099001
Why are people surprised that the Establishment is full of paedophiles? I'm certainly not because this is what I would expected from a debased elite and the same is true in other countries, most notably Belgium during the Dutroux case.
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SE23 wrote:David icke was talking about this for a very long time !

People thought that he was crazy when he proclaimed that he was the son of God but he was right on this one.
#14101772
So it turns out it wasn't a senior Tory at all, but a case of mistaken identity. The 'victim' of the offence knew the person to be involved was a wealthy man with the surname McAlpine and thus assumed it was Lord McAlpine, but it turns out it was another local McAlpine fellow.

A key piece of evidence being that the victim described the attacker as being 'dead' whereas Lord McAlpine is most certainly alive.
#14101908
One Tory peer says it was nothing to do with him, guv...well that's that then. Let's forget about the whole thing and go back to watching the X Factor.

I go back to the Tom Watson blog post above:

Since then though, many more ordinary people have contacted me about suspicions they have had of a wider wrongdoing – in some cases so heinous it made me cry.

They have talked of psychopaths marking children with Stanley knifes to show “ownership”. They tell of parties where children were “passed around” the men. They speak of golf course car parks being the scenes for child abuse after an 18 hole round.

And they have named powerful people – some of them household names – who abused children with impunity.

Two former police officers have raised their concerns of cover-ups. Child protection specialists have raised their fears that the network of convicted paedophile Peter Righton, the nexus of the group, was wider than at first thought. Others have identified a former cabinet minister who regularly abused young boys.

Some have raised mysterious early deaths, disappeared children, suspicious fires, intimidation and threats.

It’s bewildering.

These allegations go way beyond the claims made on BBC Newsnight yesterday.


I'm not saying all this is true, I'm not saying who has done what. But clearly there is enough here to warrant thorough investigation.
#14101912
My response has more to do with the following -

The Waterhouse inquiry into the abuse allegations recorded that, according to Mr Messham’s statement to the police, “X (the letter used to hide the identity of the McAlpine family member) had several different motor cars and would wait for him at the bottom of Bryn Estyn Lane.”

Reporters covering the inquiry at the time concluded that Lord McAlpine could not be the person referred to as the abuser because Mr Messham said his abuser was dead, whereas Lord McAlpine is alive. And when a Times reporter put Lord McAlpine’s name to Messham in 1996, he said his abuser was in fact called Tom.

Another boy who originally appeared to corroborate the accusation later confirmed that he had only been shown a photograph of Lord McAlpine by a journalist subsequently, and said this was his sole knowledge of him.
#14101913
Well clearly as an individual, until such time as somebody makes an accusation and he is found guilty in a court of law, Lord McAlpine is an innocent man. But were further investigation shelved because of his denial of wrongdoing, a whole torrent of criminal abuse could be missed.

That said, if a conspiracy is alleged to involve the police and senior judges - how can one have faith in the judicial process to reveal the truth?

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